On May 11, Joel Monk and Laurens van Aarle of Coaches Rising in the Netherlands conducted an interview with my partners, Geoff Fitch, Terri O’Fallon, and me. It’s a wonderful interview that speaks of the latest research on late stages of adult development, facilitating state and stage awareness in our GTC cohorts at Pacific Integral, the causal floor in which emptiness and the witness arise, what it takes to stabilize these states into ordinary walking around, waking consciousness; and sourcing new futures together through our collective intelligence.  Based on research and our own experience over the last 7 years + with later stage individuals in our Integral Leadership Programs, many of the ideas and information offered in this interview are pointing toward new possible futures for humanity.  Thanks to Joel and Laurens. We hope you enjoy it.